What choose you Oppo?

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 06/12/2014 at 00:15 • Filed to: None

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Mainstream Compact Sedan edition!

Any trim level. Any engine. Any transmission.

What would you guys pick?

Dodge Dart

Chevy Cruze

VW Jetta

Ford Focus Sedan

Kia Forte Sedan

Honda Civic

Toyota Corolla

Nissan Sentra

Hyundai Elantra

Mazda3 Sedan

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:19

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Jetta. A thousand times Jetta.

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:19

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Dart. I like the Cruze but it's a bit dated now, it could use a refresh.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:20

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Because it's better than all of those. AWD SRT-4 might change that, but you can't get one right now. WHERES OUR CRUZE SS CHEVY

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake 06/12/2014 at 00:21

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I'm ready to see the completely new 2016. The refresh is okay , but a whole new design would be better.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 06/12/2014 at 00:22

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Notice how I said sedans .

That way any FoST bias is removed.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 06/12/2014 at 00:23

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The Jetta is pretty much a very basic A4 now. It's very nice.

That being said, I'd pick the Dart GT. So much curvy Italian goodness.

Ravey Mayvey Slurpee Surprise > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:23

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The hatch may be better, but I'll still take this.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Ravey Mayvey Slurpee Surprise 06/12/2014 at 00:24

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Shit I forgot to add that!

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:24

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Well it's not my fault ford built one of the best FWD performance cars ever. I refuse to not choose it. It's both un-oppo and un 'murican. I can betray one of those ridiculous aligences, but not both at the same time!

Kat Callahan > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:26

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BMW 3-series isn't a compact sedan?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 06/12/2014 at 00:26

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*Except it's of European origin...*

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Kat Callahan 06/12/2014 at 00:27

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I was thinking more mainstream.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:31

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The dart's platform is italian, and the Cruze is German. YOUR MOVE.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 06/12/2014 at 00:32

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I didn't bring up the 'murican argument though!

Kailand09 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:33

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either the 3 or the jetta. A friend just bought a jetta, interior is way nicer than the competition, and the 5.cylinder is a pretty cool engine.

Honestly, the 3 interior was disappointing, on the last gen at least. Haven't sat in a new one

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:34

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Jetta GLI, Jetta TDI, Jetta 2.5, Jetta 1.8T all work with a stick.

I'd take either a GLI, or an early '13 SEL with a 5-speed.

Throw on an exhaust, a CAI, and a tune, and make that GLI in to a 265hp sports sedan

For the 5-pot, do exhaust and CAI, and you'll basically have an NA GLI, but with softer suspension and longer gears

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Kailand09 06/12/2014 at 00:36

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I read the new one is very Audi-esque.

Even if it isn't, it looks really nice.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:37

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Jetta GLI with DSG. I just love me a good Euro car.

D > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:37

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Base model Corolla with a the 5-speed for me.

well, I'd have to drive all of them but it's appealing, in terms of econoboxes.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 06/12/2014 at 00:38

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The GLI is basically a FWD A4 now it's so nice. Even down to the engine almost.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:41

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It would still be un 'murican for me to turn my back on the FoST, because no matter where they actually build it, the money - should I opt to buy one - will go straight to Ford. Ford's profit margins will go up and - even if 'muricans didn't design it or whatever - 'muricans definitely manufacture it, and will benefit via the wages they extract from Ford in exchange for the hard working 'murican effort. Retired 'muricans who have stock in Ford will also benefit because more sales -> more margin -> better market performance -> higher share prices. This happens even if non-'muricans in non-'murican countries buy products from and work for Ford.

tl;dr -> Buying a Ford anywhere IS GOOD FOR 'MURICANS EVERYWHERE

(No, I didn't write this just to see how many times I could squeeze the word 'murica' in to one paragraph. I promise.)

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > D 06/12/2014 at 00:41

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I feel like the only thing the Corolla has going for it now is looks. Seem like it's still very beige under the attractive interior and exterior.

I'd have to drive them all as well though.

Forgetful > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:41

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We need a *TCC racing series featuring these in sedan form only. No widebody kits. A nice little wing on the back and a chin spoiler up front. Pretty much a current form of the BTCC in the late 90s, the only time anything remotely like stance was acceptable.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9 06/12/2014 at 00:44

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That's all true actually...

That's why I try to get people to go with American cars. The money spent on them goes to the American economy. That's the point my dad's made for years when people say "Well the (insert non-american car companies car here) is built in america, so technically it's more american than (iinsert american car here) is!"

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 00:56

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Mazda or VW

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > PS9 06/12/2014 at 00:57

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Even better the Focus ST is built in Wayne Michigan.

Kat Callahan > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 01:25

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Well, it's the only compact sedan I have owned.

Sir-Loinington > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 01:37

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Jetta or Mazda 3. best cars in the segment IMHO.

Garrett Davis > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 01:54

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I choose secret option number K: Subaru WRX sedan.

Boom.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Garrett Davis 06/12/2014 at 01:55

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Technically not considered an Impreza anymore. I'll give it to you though.

Garrett Davis > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 02:11

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Ah, yeah I keep forgetting that. Modified Impreza chassis, but technically not an Impreza anymore.

KirkyV > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 05:05

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With the possible exception of the Jetta, literally none of these are sold where I live. The Jetta might be - I think I looked it up once, but I can't remember - but I've still never seen one in person.

So, uh... Mazda, I suppose? I realise it's a rather cliched, European perspective to take, but I've absolutely no idea why you'd have any of them over a similarly-sized hatchback.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > KirkyV 06/12/2014 at 05:08

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Of all those ones up there, only 4 of them are offered at hatchbacks in the US of A.

I hate how anti-hatch America is. HATE IT.

KirkyV > PS9 06/12/2014 at 05:11

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I like the current Focus ST, but I'd hesitate to call it 'one of the best FWD performance cars ever'. For one thing, I'd rather the one they built before it - five cylinder, and better-looking to my eye - and for another, the FWD performance car segment has been one of the most competitive going where I live for about forty years. The Focus is nice, but competition - both contemporary and historical - is a little too stiff for it to rate most 'best ever' lists.

One of the best hot hatches ever offered in the US, though? Certainly.

KirkyV > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 05:22

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At least things are getting better: you get the real Focus now, and the Fiesta. If they do well, more are sure to follow. And, hey, there's always a chance they'll eventually dump the 25 year import thing.

I'm glad we'll be getting the Mustang over here from next year. Honestly, it's not really my sort of thing - that Peugeot I posted in our other conversation is pretty much my dream car - but it's great that the option's there. Before, any British Mustang fans had to import, and either drive with the steering wheel on the wrong side, or get a conversion.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > KirkyV 06/12/2014 at 05:26

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If Saturn was still around, we'd be getting the Astra VXR over here as the Astra Redline most likely, but alas, no more Saturn.

I really hope someone in the government food chain kills that law. The want I have to bring over a previous generation Focus ST 3-door is so strong.

KirkyV > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 05:32

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I've never really liked the Astra, honestly. The most recent one's a good-looking car, and I've heard that the VXR's actually - in a surprise move for Vauxhall/Opel - quite fun to drive, but... Well, it's a Vauxhall. Ewwww.

Anyway, yeah, the post-facelift Mark 2 Focus ST 3-door is, to my eye, the best-looking Focus ever made.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > KirkyV 06/12/2014 at 05:36

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Is that really how people feel about Vauxhall over there? I thought that was just a joke Top Gear always made.

Yes, that Focus right there is what I want, but in black. Seriously good looking car. A lot better than the current fish-face.

duurtlang > KirkyV 06/12/2014 at 05:37

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I agree with your sedan comment. Compact and sedan? Does not compute. Especially with the word 'mainstream' added to it. We get more options than you guys in the UK, but that doesn't mean people actually buy them.

I'm residing in Germany currently, and I do have to admit I've seen a few Mustangs here. The vast majority convertibles due to the nice weather, and only the mid 1960s Mustang and the 2005+ Mustang.

KirkyV > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 05:48

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It depends on the person, naturally. They sell well enough, so there must be people out there who like them, but I, personally, have never really seen a reason to pick a Vauxhall over its competitors. They're never the best to drive, or the most reliable, or the most comfortable, or the most practical—they're just sort of 'eh'.

I'd have it in blurple, myself.

KirkyV > duurtlang 06/12/2014 at 05:57

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It's an awkward body style. For practicality, you want either a hatch or an estate; if you're going to sacrifice some of that practicality for the sake of aesthetics, you might as well do it properly, and get a coupe.

I suspect there are probably more Mustangs over there than there are here; the hassle of either driving with the steering wheel on the other side, or getting an aftermarket conversion, dissuades a lot of people. Still, those few I have seen have been either '60s classics, or post-2005 models. Generally coupes, though; rain and all that. (I still don't really understand how the whole 'British roadster' thing even happened.)

Jayhawk Jake > PS9 06/12/2014 at 08:31

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Every now and then a rumor of a souped up sonic hits the sonic owners forum. Fingers crossed the 2016 refresh gets an SS, or at least the RS gets a bigger motor. Chevy has plenty of motors to choose from, and they've got plenty of people that could develop a proper chassis and suspension. The RS suspension isn't bad anyways, and it was tuned by a Corvette Racing engineer.

I'd like to see Chevy go insane and at least make a concept RS powered by an LS motor, sort of like how VW has the GTI powered by an R8 engine.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 08:34

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Jetta GLI 30th Anniversary Edition! Easily the most fun to drive of sedans, easily the best interior, easily ZeGermanness.

Man, I want one SO bad

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve 06/12/2014 at 08:35

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That last "ZeGermanness" doesn't help with reliability that so many buyers in this category want.

Kidding, I hope they've gotten better.

Alex B > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:23

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VW Jetta GLI please!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Alex B 06/12/2014 at 09:25

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(Your German bias is showing)

Alex B > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:29

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Yes it is. After the Jetta GLI I think I would take a ford focus, or a Kia forte. I love the focus mainly because it's the European ficus in American streets. It looks pretty decent too.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Alex B 06/12/2014 at 09:33

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One can't mention European cars on American streets without mentioning the Dart. Not to mention it's pretty damn attractive.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:46

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Haha, I know they arent really reliable. But hey, thats part of car ownership. You're not buying a kitchen appliance, you are buying something that has hundreds of little functions and motors.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve 06/12/2014 at 09:50

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Reliability and car ownership can go hand in hand.

See most GM V8 and some V6 motors to get this kind of philosophy.

I dunno about 4-cylinders. Don't got any of those wimpy things at my house.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:55

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I didn't think you could get any more mainstream than a 3 series.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:56

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This one:

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 09:57

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Yes, you are right about that. I guess its only how much I like VW's I don't care for the extra maintenance.

Haha, in my household there is the most varied of engines.

1 German 4 Cilinder

1. German 5 Cylinder

1 Japanese V6

1 American V8

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DipodomysDeserti 06/12/2014 at 09:57

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Not considered part of the Impreza line anymore.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vicente Esteve 06/12/2014 at 09:59

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The lack of diversity at my house is great.

5.3L OHV GM V8

4.3L OHV GM V6

3.6L DOHC GM V6

in other words, the cars at my house have engines that could survive a nuclear holocaust.

Alex B > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 10:00

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Yeah. My neighbors son has a black dart. It sounds petty good, but the center stack without the screen looks awful.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Alex B 06/12/2014 at 10:03

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Any Dart that doesn't have the big screen has a cheapskate owner. It's like a $500 upgrade to get it without navigation.

pdx107 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 10:33

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yup, I made sure to get my Rallye w/ the screen, no navigation, thats what google maps is for anyways

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > pdx107 06/12/2014 at 10:37

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Exactly. Plus the big screen just looks cool.

pdx107 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 10:40

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agreed, now if i just had the digital dash

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > pdx107 06/12/2014 at 10:42

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I thought the digital dash came with the big screen! That's depressing.

pdx107 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 10:53

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Nah, the digital dash didnt which was fine, it would have been nice but not the end of the world, that and the moon roof were the only options mine didn't have

Kailand09 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 10:56

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that does look better. I didn't mind the ride , but my friend said it was way too rough as well

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 11:45

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Hahaha, pretty much

Actually, now that i've thought of it, neither German engines are made in germany

And the Japanese engine is made in America.

DipodomysDeserti > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 14:46

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And so its not a mainstream compact sedan because of that?

Eazy-O > Forgetful 06/12/2014 at 16:05

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I don't wanna be that guy, but: Renault Laguna is classified above compacts, Renault's compact would be the Megane. Also, none of its generations were available as sedan, the open rear hatch offers access to the cabin, thus making it a liftback at best.

And my ex's father drove one, and it broke down constantly. That was after he traded in his Renault Espace, due to breaking down constantly. They had another Laguna before that, which... you guessed it. I think Renault offers some amazing old-for-new deals. :)

David Trethewey > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 16:59

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I don't know how, and I really feel queasy with myself for saying this, but...

That Dart looks great, by far the best looker of the pack.

David Trethewey > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/12/2014 at 17:02

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Well, the "built here = American" argument isn't great, but the "look at where these companies invest their capital" argument definitely shows that Honda is by far the most American car company.

Forgetful > Eazy-O 06/12/2014 at 17:06

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That was the only picture of the BTCC from the late 90s I could get to link properly.

I think you're right that the categorization is different, but I think model bloat means that the cars above are pretty similar in size to what used to be called 'mid-sized', and was raced in the BTCC.

Forgetful > Eazy-O 06/12/2014 at 17:08

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Also, the next size up in sedans would be Fusion, SS, Camry, and that's NASCAR and V8 Supercars size, which is too big.

Eazy-O > Forgetful 06/12/2014 at 18:58

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Fair enough on the pic. :)

There is some model bloat, though I've gone through some specs and they're not quite up there yet. But I wasn't saying you should go next up in size, just that Renault offered the smaller Megane in the class suggested by the topic's author.

It is one of the more hideous sedans, though. Renault just can't seem to get the butts right.

Gen 1:

Gen 2:

elspeths > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 06/17/2014 at 22:18

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Toyota. No question. I had a Corolla that got t-boned by a car going 30 mph. It was so screwed up the battery was exposed, and I still had to physically turn it off. Best little car I ever had.